Street kids: No Protective Custody but Care Orders



2466 street kids & FOCAS OKBy ERWIN CHLANDA

Why in the NT do the police have powers to put adults into protective custody, but not children? Families Minister Dale Wakefield will not give a direct answer.
But she does say police have the power to make Child Protection Notifications which can lead to Temporary Care Orders if a child is considered to be at an immediate risk.
This would trigger a response by a 24 hour hotline which could lead to the child being placed with foster parents.
The issue has been in the forefront of public discussion for weeks as a large group of children, some as young as eight, are roaming the streets at night. Some of them are vandalising property and endangering lives by rock throwing.
Ms Wakefield’s response does not inspire confidence when the efficiency of the local Territory Families office has been questioned for some time, and recently has been the subject of a scathing 16-page submission to the NT Royal Commission into Child Detention & Protection, from a departmental staff member who does not wish to be named.
According to the submission, the department here is critically understaffed, racked by gross inefficiencies and run by a bullying hierarchy more interested in procedures being followed than caring for children.
Ms Wakefield spoke to the Alice Springs News Online in an interview yesterday, together with a departmental spokesperson and Ms Wakefield’s media advisor.
We asked how come some 150 children, from age nine upwards, are in the streets in the middle of the night? Police say they cannot intervene unless an offence has been committed.
2466 Dale WakefieldWAKEFIELD (at left): Police can respond if they think children are at risk of harm. By far the biggest reporters to child protection are police and education staff. Police also take kids home.
NEWS: So why are they not picking up young children in the streets at 2.30am?
WAKEFIELD: It depends on their risk assessment.
Ms Wakefield points to comprehensive policy changes being planned: “We’ve got to have a different response to what we’ve got at the moment. We are looking at strengthening that. That’s why we have our youth outreach service going.”
She says there are discussions with the NGO sector about different after-hours activities “keeping kids off the streets”.
NEWS: Should there be a facility that kids can be taken to, and which they can’t leave until a safe place for them has been found?
WAKEFIELD: You get good kids mixed up into the statutory system. We don’t want to stop kids from going to the movies.
NEWS: Surely an unaccompanied eight year old who is in the streets at 2.30am is at risk.
WAKEFIELD: If a police officer saw an eight year old walking around in the street at 2.30am they could make a Child Protection Notification and that would be acted upon by the after hours service.
NEWS: A child becomes an adult by age 18. Where do you draw the line?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: It’s different ages at different stages, based on their individual circumstances. This is where it’s hard to give you exact answers.
WAKEFIELD: Police officers would be involved in the new Youth Outreach facility [based in the new office, which is not a drop-in centre, opposite Kittle Car Company]. We have a truly collaborative response, so we don’t have police officers feeling they are powerless in that situation, because there are a string of options they can take. [This government] started with a very low base of service delivery.
NEWS: Is there progress?
WAKEFIELD: I was out Friday night and there were very few kids around. My feedback from the Loiterers (a church group calling themselves Positive Loiterers) was that it has quietened down significantly.
NEWS: Are street kids selling sex? I have talked to people who say they do it for cigarettes and alcohol, possibly drugs.
WAKEFIELD: I don’t have any evidence of that. I think I’ve not heard of any prosecutions. I am not aware of any reports to me around specific cases. You would need to talk to youth workers.
NEWS: What is the rate of venereal diseases among children?
WAKEFIELD: We are responsible for the healthcare of all children in our care. There have been some significant reports of STI outbreaks that the Health Department have reported on.
Ms Wakefield says there is a “significant body of work” on curfews, including in 2006 by Robyn Lamely, now Independent MLA for Araluen and former CLP Minister.
Ms Wakefield says the CLP didn’t implement a curfew when they were in power yet the current Opposition Leader, Gary Higgins, is now calling for a curfew to be considered.
Mr Higgins relied on a “A Systematic Review of the Impact of Juvenile Curfew Laws on Public Health and Justice Outcomes” by the National Institutes of Health in the US, which said in conclusion: “The available evidence suggests that juvenile curfew laws appear to have a broad impact by reducing or preventing health-related and criminal outcomes of youth.
“However, the number and quality of the studies available limit these conclusions.
“More rigorous research is required before conclusions can be drawn as to the potential of juvenile curfew laws to serve as a primary prevention strategy to enhance youth outcomes.”
Chief Minister Michael Gunner said recently on the ABC that there is no evidence of curfews working.
Why did Ms Wakefield never visit Loves Creek where her government spent $2.4m (or $1.4m as is claimed by Bushmob – a large discrepancy yet to be resolved)?
WAKEFIELD: There was a review happening of all the wilderness camps so we made a decision not to see any of them at that stage.
NEWS: How many prosecutions have there been of parents for failing to provide the necessities of life to their children?
WAKEFIELD: You would have to ask the police.
NEWS: But you might take that action.
WAKEFIELD: Police take that action. We take action of removing children. We are going though a process of looking at the [Child Protection] Act. There will be recommendations from the Royal Commission. We are looking at giving front line workers the tools they need to act.
NEWS: The outreach re-engagement teams have been on the ground for a couple of months. Additional grant programs are being developed for after hours activities. Is there more?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: We’re working on a significant program of reform around child protection and youth justice to create very tailored solutions. We’re going to co-design within our NGO sector solutions for early intervention, for the family and children’s court that is actually is fit for purpose in the unique locations. Something that would work in Darwin may not work in Tennant Creek.
NEWS: What’s the time frame?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: Some are being developed right now.
NEWS: When you can’t take kids to their home, because home is the problem, where do you take them? When the Royal Commission completes its report in September, it’s very likely it will contain recommendations which involve housing, education and disadvantage.
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: Housing is an important consideration.
NEWS: Surely, the house is not the issue. The issue is who lives in the house and how they treat their children. What if both parents are drinkers and are violent? Where does the child go?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: To a foster carer or other program.
MEDIA ADVISOR: There is the youth accommodation service, that’s for older kids.
NEWS: That’s just for a handful of kids.
MEDIA ADVISOR: There are other options as well.
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: We have a foster carer network, we have a residential care network, and we are working very hard to develop our kinship care network … in a culturally appropriate way. We have children who have been taken away at very young ages and who have stayed in care until they are 18.
NEWS: Do you have enough foster carers?
NEWS: What’s the answer?
Ms Wakefield had said earlier that early intervention was the focus of the Government. The department spokesperson said that this meant supporting families and children early to stop incidents occurring in the first place.
NEWS: How many electronic bracelets or anklets have been used on young people?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: It’s a bail condition. You have to speak to the courts.
NEWS: Operation Flinders, which was announced when the Loves Creek arrangement with Bushmob collapsed, was used first in 2014 by the CLP Government. Has there been an evaluation of that?
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: There is a lot of data that talks to the effectiveness of wilderness camps.  Operation Flinders does not replace any service at Loves Creek.
The departmental spokesperson referred us to a report entitled “Northern Territory Early Intervention Youth Boot Camp Program”. Its chapter three, “Operation Flinders Program,” is on a blank page stating only “Chapter omitted from public version of report.”
She says “significant amounts” were spent on facilities of the Loves Creek wilderness camp with plans for more expenditure. $30,000 was spent on grading the road only a couple of months ago.
There is a water tank of 55,000 litre capacity with a further 60,000 litre capacity to be added. There are safes for vehicle keys, universal locks protected by steel plates, and the camp has satellite phones.
She says the department will find a supplier “who can efficiently provide a wilderness camp service”.
NEWS: There is much public comment about holding parents financially responsible for damage done by their children.
DEPARTMENTAL SPOKESPERSON: Under victim conferencing in-kind compensation is sometimes agreed to, including community service.
PHOTOS: A boy getting a sausage sandwich from women from the FOCAS and Positive Loitering groups in the Mall. BELOW: Wildnerness camp. NT Government publication.
2466 wilderness camp OK


  1. I would like to asks Dale what is the school’s attendance rates of those children? What levels are they in?
    With no education and an attitude of: “I do what I like when I want” I cannot see a bright future in the horizon.
    Those children are used as politic gains, when their welfare should have priority.
    Quote: “If a police officer saw an eight year old walking around in the street at 2.30am they could make a Child Protection Notification and that would be acted upon by the after hours service.”
    Do I read COULD? A young child on the street at night is a neglected child and should automatically put in care, not could be!

  2. I know a copper on the Murray River border who took delinquent kids out 10 km from town, took their shoes and let them walk home over gravel roads.
    Maybe a paddy van of these children collected at midnight and taken 15 km from town to walk home would prevent all the damage, stolen cars and break-ins.
    A three or four nights of long walking as a lesson, then they will not be a problem in town or the police.

  3. Further: Erwin, I talked to Dale over the same matter in the Mall. Her responses were also very vague and indeterminate.
    Her inexperience as a politician compares to an uncertain woman in the street rather than a minister of the Parliament.
    She needs the services of an adequate minder or advisor to remain.

  4. Kids at large in the street late at night, early in the morning are at risk … simple as.
    Police need to proceed with a Child Protection Notification and the after hours service swing into action.
    Foster care is bloody hard but don’t Indigenous communities have multiple aunties? Should they be approached and formal arrangements made?
    If a child takes off then it is the Indigenous communities’ elders who should be making the plans.
    These kids are bored, a really dangerous situation as bored kids lead to out of control kids.
    Indigenous kids require Indigenous adult intervention, not white man’s law.

  5. It’s a joke. Dale I’m holding back calling you a name because there are too many to choose from.
    Evelyne, you are dead right! We wake up people! We are sleep walking into a generational nightmare.
    Imagine these kids as adults with this kind of youth development, serious adult crimes await.
    Can’t help but feel our Government should be held accountable legally, this kind of neglect of the town is similar to these children’s lack of parenting neglect.
    I would like to see politicians salaries based on statistical improvements, but hey, if this was the case they would be paying us.

  6. The current state of children roaming the streets at night can be attributed I feel to ineffective and inappropriate statutory services provision for care and protection for children, for years now.
    The situation cannot be attributed only to dear Dale Wakefield; who is doing a wonderful job of ducking and running for cover.
    The thing is that the government and the statutory services such as Territory Families are run by people too worried about their own level of power within the government and within the statutory agency, and having power and control over others, huge salaries and a false sense of self worth.
    Recently a senior Territory Families manager was toasted at a community services meeting. She could not tell the members of the meeting what if anything, Territory Families had done to alleviate the terrible situation with youth in the night time in Alice Springs. Incidentally she is one of the managers who is involved in the terrible bullying of staff at Territory Families.
    The future for the children wandering the streets at night is at great risk. Just like those in the work camps in Germany during the second world war the children of Alice Springs have no voice.
    What if all the pedophiles get a hold of this. Will they be cruising the Alice Springs Town at night, looking for young victims? It smacks of third world status.
    Shame on Dale Wakefield the Northern Territory Government and shame on all the institutions that support this shameful situation!
    You would think that everyone involved knows about the problem.
    Parents and caregivers alike a pulling their hair out over the situation.
    Why don’t the self satisfying, self important, all powerful managers and politicians get off their own self importance consideration and do something?
    As for you parents, if my child left the house at nigh it would be important to me if I found that child and prevented them from putting themselves at risk again, making sure they stay home at night.
    Not letting them wander the street or township to get fornicated by filthy pedophiles paying them for sex.
    Children are turning up with life changing sexually transmitted diseases, as young as nine and 10 years of age. I wonder when there will be an epidemic outbreak of HIV AIDS?
    What are we going to say then? This is not just a local Northern Territory shame it is also a national shame.
    I wonder if there are child sex workers in the main centers of Sydney and Melbourne.
    Are those areas and governments also turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the problem or are they dealing with it?

  7. These kids can walk for hours without shoes – they do already. They need love; in the form of a safe, secure place to stay, food and warmth.
    Adult company, that supervises – yes, but forms (safe) relationships.
    The adults who are responsible for these kids probably need as much support as the kids do. The system is failing them poorly.

  8. It is not mentioned here, but I assume that the majority of these children are Aboriginal? And I do not see too many post placing the blame where it belongs: With the parents.
    Failing that, why not set up a camp either in or outside the city staffed by senior Aboriginal people where these children can be held until the parents are contacted, and possibly brought to task.
    Children have historically been punished for misbehaving, either by the parent of by the law. Why is it so different in The Alice?

  9. Gees, Terry Carr, did you actually read any of the comments before you made yours?
    You sound like a very narrow minded person! Short sighted and one eyed.
    Yes, blame the children and the parents for the shithouse useless agencies and government that have failed them for years and are still doing so!

  10. Re: Terry Carr Posted August 9, 2017 at 12:15 am
    Concerning placing the blame “where it belongs: With the parents.”
    How many of these “responsible parents” were or were not required to, then actually attended, the court?
    This needs not breach privacy of these families.
    We all need to better understand why these parents experience problems controlling their children.
    The courts appear in position to at least get some answers.

  11. I certainly hope “departmental spokesperson” and others put more effort into funding than providing single bedroom units affordable on Centrelink to house those 16 to 18 (and older).

  12. CORRECTION Re: Paul Parker Posted August 15, 2017 at 12:40 pm
    My error, it should read:
    I certainly hope “departmental spokesperson” and others put more effort into funding and the providing of single bedroom units affordable on Centrelink to house those 16 to 18 (and older).

  13. I just want to say it’s all bull, not true. The people in Alice Springs are being lied to. Welfare are taking kids from good homes with no proof and putting parents through hell to get them home.
    I’m only allowed to see my kids for two hours a week and this has been going on since June.
    My kids are being manipulated and given everything they want, just to keep them happy so they can keep them for 12 months.
    The kids just want to come home. The department is saying the kids are Aboriginal but they are not. The department is taking my kids to Congress.
    The kids have lost weight and are dehydrated and don’t sleep well.
    Their school didn’t inform me that Welfare are visiting my children at school.


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